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  What EMOTIONS are evoked when you hear about or see JARACZ

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  for those who don't know who theodore jaracz is ...he is the current "president" of the wtbts.

  <<<< see pic!

  and tell dr. wac how you feel about the pic.. you won't find many pics of jaracz smiling by the way.

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  Reefton Jack

  I have heard it claimed that the Art of Diplomacy is defined as :
  
  "Being able to tell someone to 'Go to Hell' in such a manner that they actually look forward to the journey!"
  
  Mention of Ted Jaracz's name will always bring to mind how he beautifully handled a Smart-A#%$ T.V. Commentator after the 1978 International Assembly at Auckland, NZ.
  
  - While Lloyd Barry sat by and came over as a complete Knuckle-Head, Ted Jaracz told this superscilious T.V. Interviewer to variously "Get F###ed", "Shove his head up his
  A#%$," "Bite his Bum," " Go to Buggery", "Go to Hell" - or All of the Above;
  - but done in such a manner as the Twerp must have indeed almost looked forward to the journey.
  
  (Sorry folks for saying something positive about Jaracz - if it helps any, I will send a photo of Reefton Jack; that you can fasten to your dart board!)
  
  
  I guess what I am trying to say is that I was - at the time -very impressed with Ted Jaracz's ability to talk his way out of anything!
  
  
  Jack.
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  Notes from recent CO meeting with elders/ms

  by Doubting Bro in

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  for some reason, i can't cut & past from word.

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  Reefton Jack

  With reference to SSPO's remarks about how young some where when appointed elders:
  
  - The youngest age that I knew of a "brother" being appointed elder at was 19.
  This was late 1972, when the "elder arrangement" (sorry for the JW-speak!) had just been implemented.
  This person's only claim to fame was that he got on very well with the old "Congregation Servant."
  
  - In another congregation at that same time,I knew of a 21 year old being appointed as an elder.
  His qualifications for the position were identical to the ones that the 19 year old had
  - i.e. he was very good mates with the Congregation Servant.
  
  The subject of this thread - Notes from the recent C.O. Meeting with Elders and Servants - doesn't make any mention being a member of the Old Boys Club.
  In my experience that one was the most essential of the lot, if you wanted to make MS or Elder!
  
  
  Jack.
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  Why is it so many Men agree to take on the Position of an Elder?

  by restrangled in

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  i just wonder because with the stresses of earning a living, taking care of immediate family, and getting in little free time that is available, why would anyone want to take on this extra job at no charge, answer to more bosses, and be submited to endless critisizing behind your back for decisions.

  it just seems crazy.. r..

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  Reefton Jack

  Many thanks, ithinkisee:
  - I now at last understand what it was that drove me on to "Reach Out", as they say in JW Speak
  i.e. the (desparate) need for approval.
  
  Finally-Free and Blondie:
  I (unfortunately) know only too well what you are saying - how men are held in contempt once they have been "In the truth"/ (in the lie?) ten years or more and hold no position.
  Christian love at work?
  -like #@$%^ing Hell it is!
  
  Jack.
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  SEX CRAZED ELDER CAN'T CONTROL

  by DannyHaszard in

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  this is again top ranked news for jw keywords worldwide.

  ex-elder can't control sex urges.

  "he masturbates and fantasizes, so of course, he'd touch a girl.

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  Reefton Jack

  Of course he can be an elder:
  -as long as he enters the minimum nunber required on that column on the Monthly Report that is entitled
  "Hours"!
  
  Still - what can you expect when the sole judge of a person's worth is that paritcular column on that particular report in general?
  
  
  
  
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  HAVE JWS RUINED YOUR LIFE??????

  by chuckyy in

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  im sitting here today thinking:.

  "my daughter should have had open heart surgery years ago and she would have been too young to know anything about it.

  instead, she is about to face it now....the surgeons were relectant to do it when we were jws and she was so young.

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  Reefton Jack

  YES - they did!
  It is no good trying to pretend otherwise.
  
  Since breaking with them 12 years ago, I have been in the process of rebuilding my life.
  I am maybe not quite there yet, although I have made significant progress towards that.
  
  HOWEVER:
  
  - While I will always remain open to suggestions; there is no way that I can see that one can recover the 28 years that I was subject to the WTS madness.
  
  As Zagor say, 'Wuck the Fatchtower."
  
  
  
  
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  Do you dream you are back in the Borg?

  by uriah in

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  i have depressingly frequent dreams of being back in the borg.

  i am out on the work thinking why am i here i don't do this anymore.

  i am in kingdom halls with my mag - underlined!

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  Reefton Jack

  This happens to me sometimes - and these are always NIGHTMARES!
  
  Jack
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  Pearl Harbor

  by Woodsman in

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  my grandfather was in pearl harbor.

  he is 87 years old.

  he can still remember it like yesterday and his stories send shivers down your spine.. pleas take a moment to remember the sacrifice many made.

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  Reefton Jack

  At the time of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a plan (Operation Downfall) had already been drawn up to invade the Japanese home islands. "Downfall" was to be in two parts: - Operation "Olympic", scheduled for November 1945, was to capture the southern part of Kyushu, Japan's southernmost island. -Operation "Coronet" - to begin early the following year - was to take place on the Kanto Plain area (near Tokyo) of Japan's central island, Honshu. Casualty predictions varied widely, but all the predictions agreed on one thing: - i.e. that casualties would be extremely high! - The Joint Chiefs of Staff had estimated that Olympic alone (i.e. the capture of Southern Kyushu) would result in between 456 000 and 1 200 000 casualties - depending on whether the operation could be sewn up in 90 days, or whether the battle became more protracted. - General McArthur's staff estimated that Olympic would result in 125 000 casualties after 120 days of fighting. - General Marshall's staff used the previous year's Battle of Luzon as a model, and came up with an estimate of 70 000 casualties for Operation Olympic. - Admiral Leahy's staff, on the other hand used the recently concluded Battle for Okinanwa as a model (a battle that had cost America 70 000 casualties),and estimated 268 000 casualties just to secure Southern Kyushu. (As it turned out, the Japanese had correctly deduced the American plans, and had set their defences up accordingly - guaranteeing that the casualties would have been on the higher side of the estimates!). These casualty predictions were for just one phase of one operation - no one was claiming that the capture of Southern Kyushu would finish the war with Japan. While by that point Japan's navy and air forces were largely out of the equation (what hadn't been destroyed outright was immobilised through lack of fuel)- it still had a formidable army at its disposal. Also,fierce resistance was expected from its civilian population. Adding all this together, a study done by William Shockley for the Secretary of War estimated that the total conquest of Japan - i.e. not just the capture of one half of one island - would have resulted in anywhere between 1.7 to 4.0 million US casualties (By battlefield casualties, they mean the total of those killed, wounded or captured. Except in the case of the war with Japan, there was not a lot of capturing done!) Jack.
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  King Solomon's Wealth - WTS versus the World Gold Council

  by Reefton Jack in

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  while i was someones "bible study", i recall being assured that king solomon was so wealthy, that .

  "most of the gold in circulation today was originally owned by him!

  this supposed fact was even stated in one of the wts publications.

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  Reefton Jack

  There is a whole branch of science - called "Archealogy" - that is devoted to finding out what happened
  before anyone now alive was around to remember.
  
  Jack.
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  Why is the Watchtower Society so cruel to teens?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  my mom just informed me that a 17 year old has been disfellowshipped at her hall.at least 7 others have been kicked out within the last 5 years.the publisher count is only 56 .why do they let the teens get baptized so young?

  i was 14 and only got baptized because of pressure and the end was coming.if you weren't baptized you would be destroyed.. why don't they wait until everyone is at leat 21?

  all these teens haven't come back and you won't ever see them unless they return.i haven't seen my cousin in over 2 years.no one went to his wedding,isn't invited to any family functions and is to be avoided at all costs.. the watchtower society should be ashamed that they act that way and the parents let them get away with it..

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  Reefton Jack

  I would have to agree 100% with everything said here (except angelus - I don't mean to be rude, but you know what you can do with your religion!)
  
  Lady Lee's remark, though, I can particularly identify with
  i.e The WTS doesn't believe in childhood.
  
  I resent (with close to a white-hot intensity!) many things that the WTS has done to me:
  - But right at the top of the list by a long shot is the way that they prevented me from having proper life with my family.
  
  For reasons that Lady Lee and others have already mentioned, JWs are not a Family Friendly religion.
  
  Still, what else can you expect from a mob that puts numerical increase ahead of everything else:
  - including the welfare of its membership.
  
  Stevenson, in his book "1975 - Year of Doom?" summed it up fairly accurately when he stated
  "No other religious group demands so much of its members, in return for so little."
  
  
  Jack.
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  King Solomon's Wealth - WTS versus the World Gold Council

  by Reefton Jack in

  1. jw
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  while i was someones "bible study", i recall being assured that king solomon was so wealthy, that .

  "most of the gold in circulation today was originally owned by him!

  this supposed fact was even stated in one of the wts publications.

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  Reefton Jack

  fokyc and Clam, thanks for those remarks.
  
  The WTS publication that I recall, however, was a long time before 1996.
  (I heard that particular claim about Solomon's wealth sometime in the late 1960s).
  
  Just the same, how many of us would turn down the offer of 25 tonnes of gold!
  
  Gold was one of the first metals - maybe THE first metal - to be used by ancient civilisations.
  
  There were several practical reasons for this:
  - For one thing, gold does not react with water or oxygen, which means that it can be found in its native state;
  such as in the form of gold nuggets in the bed of a river or a stream.
  (Where I come from, this is known as alluvial gold - I believe the term used in Canada and the USA is placer gold).
  The only other metal like this that I know of is tin.
  - Also, gold is an easy metal to work.
  
  
  Clam's observations about modern mining and extraction methods certainly have a bearing on matters, too.
  At the mine that I work for, it takes 8 tonnes of ore to produce one ounce (i.e. 31.1035 grammes)
  of gold.
  And that ore is actually considered to be high yielding!
  
  
  That WTS quote that sparked off this discussion might have to remain another one of life's mysteries!
  
  Jack.